What do I believe?

Gail Says:
August 21st, 2008 at 12:19 pm

I believe in what I believe because I understand it and it has a positive influence in my life. I’m not just talking about religion. I am talking about friendship, admiration and spirit.

I like how Gail put this and I feel like her statement encapsulates my beliefs in the most succinct way.

I do not subscribe to any specific faith or religion, but I will say that I like to believe that there is a higher spiritual being of some sort that is bigger than me. I do recognize that I choose to keep this belief in place due to a fear of what it would mean if we were totally random; if there was no true beginning or true end. That is when believing in a theory just feels so much better than not.

Ultimately, I believe that religion is a beautiful thing. It has spawned gorgeous art, culture, community and history.

I have great respect for faith and commitment.

The only problem I have is the divide we seem to create, that we decide to blame on our faith.

If we could truly digest the concept that we believe what we believe for separate and independent reasons, all religion would cause nothing but more understanding, and the courage to push ourselves harder.

Thoughts?

xo
Allison

  • Diana

    DON’T FEAR ANYTHING!, IF ANYTHING, YOU SHOULD ONLY FEAR FEAR ITSELF.

  • http://www.daybow.com David Hayes

    Dick B,

    Try looking at comment 159 on the last blog by Kirk D. aka “Spartacus.” He did an excellant job summing up what people seem to mean when they refer to God.

  • Diana

    When I was younger I used to listen to
    “hilary duff” for some reason now I don’t like her heheheh, but her songs spoke to me.. And this is one i’ll never ever forget.

    Inner strength:

    Gotta find your inner strength
    If you can’t then just throw life away
    Gotta learn to rely on you

    Beauty, strength, and wisdom, too
    You’re beautiful inside and out
    Lead a great life without a doubt
    Don’t need a man to make things fair
    ‘Cuz more than likely he won’t be there
    Listen girl, gotta know it’s true
    In the end all you’ve got is you

    Theres a message not just about “boyz” Okay? but it’s about believing in yourself because your all you got., Honestly I don’t believe in “real” friends… I’ve ahd such bad luck with friends, backstabbers and 2 faces.. But this is something that I believe in, myself.

  • http://www.daybow.com David Hayes

    I almost missed having corn on the cob this summer. I miss a lot of things as life speeds by, but how could I have almost missed corn on the cb! So yesterday, I picked up a few peaches from an orchard and forgot to try one. A few minutes ago, I had one and I really needed a God at that moment because I need someone to thank for creating something so delightful! Okay. I’m ready. Someone tell me how a random splittng of nutrons in a distant sun millenia ago led to me having a peach today.

  • Diana

    Energy?

  • Diana Lizeth

    Someone tell me how a random splittng of nutrons in a distant sun millenia ago led to me having a peach today.

  • Michelle19

    This comment is in responds to ARASH and DAVID HAYES comments at #39 and #42 respectively. Firstly, the reason why we pray isn’t only to ask God for things that we think we need but also to build a relationship with Him. When we pray and seek His face, it’s like talkin’ to a friend, that’s how we get to know Him more. God isn’t just someone that we can go to whenever we want something, but He also wants us to spend time in His presence, to get closer to Him. People sometimes think that God is this “serious master”, but He’s also our Father and Saviour and His love for us is unfailing.

    Secondly, the reason why we worship God is because we were made to. God is the one who created us, He is the one who breathed His breath of life into us and how else can we show our gratitude and appreciation but worship Him for His goodness and mercies towards us.

    I know that this may seem strange to you but if you experienced the love of Jesus, if He became real to you, maybe you would know what I’m talking about.

  • http://www.daybow.com David Hayes

    It’s nice to have Allison express her beliefs. I imagined her to be Mack-iavellian because a sign justified her being mean by pinching her friend’s end.

    (Too obscure? Or just a miss?)

  • Diana Lizeth

    A very wise lady in my block once told me, that the entire Bible could have been summed in four simple, easy to understand words….which are….

    “Thy will be done,”

    Have you ever wondered…

    “just what on earth is God’s will?”

    The ten commandments hold the best clue……… read the first two, (they summarize the whole ten,)

    God’s will is ‘to love Him

    (First) then love, one another’

    (2 commandments)

    we ask,

    “What does ‘Love’ mean”?

    we could have added,

    “Treat others as you like you, yourself like to be treated……”

    (it says that????) heheh…

    indeed it does.

    but!!!………….

    “what if we hate ourselves,?

    we don’t care how others treat us? Or, what if we think others do not deserve? to be treated good,?

    because they are too hard to love, ? in our own thinking,….what then.?

    So…. um there had to be eight more commandments, just for God to explain the ‘first two’.

    As example of what Loving God is.. um……what not to do to others. (even if you can’t do something good)

    At least:

    don’t kill, steal,

    lie,

    commit adultery, always respect your (and other) parents,

    don’t wish for other peoples belongings, (simply because…) you do not want this done to you………..

    right????

    just…ten little laws,

    These little laws that;\…- make all kinds of sense to me in the light of day, become such a huge struggle, why?

    because people want to kill,

    cheat, lie,

    envy others, disrespect parents, steal,

    to hurt others

    Why, is there such a problem ..?

    God, could have said , “I know people don’t like…..”anyone” telling them what to do, so I will make it super easy on my children.”

    He grins in a knowing smile,

    “I will, go myself, I will show them….. I will not, just tell them., (I will live inside of one of my own followers)

    then everyone will see….. what I want everyone else to do, believe,

    have faith,

    then just as simple as pie,

    trust me.”

    “Oh, that is going to be easy.”

    thinks-the prospective follower of the Lord,

    But “something is amiss,” said a frowning Lord,

    “When “each of my children, are jealous of each other,

    they contend with one another,

    who is right and who is wrong.?

    they think themselves’ to be; the ‘only right one”, in the whole world,

    my oh my, this makes it hard on my other children,”

    frowns God………….

    so, God’s best solution came at last

    he said, “No I did promise,”

    because he knew the way people are, He created them himself.

    So God, came up with this brilliant idea,

    “I myself will be born,

    inside of my children,

    who wish me to be living ‘in’ them,

    I will be guiding them myself, why yes,.—- that is it,

    they can beborn again‘.”

    Now God… can do what he wants to do,

    ( because he is living in you,)

    He does live through us,?you know,?

    doing…. what ”we” are supposed to be doing,

    we grow slowly, in faith, trial and testing, and that is good.

    He lives inside us, we are the Followers of God,

    we will then ”live in love”. (With LOVE living Inside of us,_)

    He fills us with his love,

    and it is then that we finally realize,

    that…….

    …………………..

    “You are no longer yours to do with, you have given yourself away, —to God,” (to keep as his own, to have and to hold forever,)

    he is ”free”inside of you , to use your body, as His.

    As he alone wishes.

    Now, God can fulfill his ‘’own will‘,

    ( if we don’t like it, eventually we will be forced to agree, …… Who is God,– and guess what,? it is not us.) you guessed right.,

    He alone is God of all.

    Why, He is the ‘All in All.’

    And His will shall be done, ——– sooner or later.

    So Trust in him!!!

    Ask yourself this question…… “Who is really true God, to Me,

    Personally………………………?????

    ……………………………………….
    Now does this stick to the subject Alli was talking about? or am I way off?….

    Honestly…

  • Frida

    All the subjects are so deep and complex that it’s hard even think about it, let alone but it into a cohesive text that will make sense.

    Your next post should be something really random and easy :D

  • Tez

    ok i’ll start this in saying that there has to be some form of of God or invisable creator otherwise

    HOW AN EARTH DID WE GET HERE…
    How where things created that MEN can not create E.g a baby growing in a women’s womb… a flower growing from a seed etc.

    everything nature created had to of been created by something… i was brought up around Jehovah’s witnesses and i had things shown to me in a different light… i wont blab on about that but if u live each and everyday we should be grateful cos we were chosen in some way to be alive and have the chance to live on an earth and have the freedom to do as we please experiencing things so amazing like emotion e.g love, marriage, children, animals, nature itself.

    if you stand by and watch ur life you see what u take for granted which is where i say for people who blame religion… its wrong cos the religion is put in place to make peace among communities not to course destruction or poverty thats just greed in itself what courses that….

    when i looked after babies and children u cant believe how pure and innocent children and babies are and its how they see people for who they are and absorb the enviroment which helps them develop into who they are… =)

    so for people who dont believe in anything just think in what u could be missing out on in not believing in something… =)

  • Puffy

    David H -
    My guess would be that the farmer who grew the peach might be the one to thank for it. Or if it was growing wild, you could thank the tree by hugging it.

    (And not too obscure… not quite the concept I would have associated with sign=pinch, but funny none the less ;)

  • I’m Rachel

    Michelle19,

    I love your comment. I have said this before,but yet I say it again. I totally agree with you.

    ~*Rachel*~

  • arash

    Thank you michelle for your response. I agree with everything you said but my question was more about asking our “Friend” God for favors all the time. I really don’t know how it works. I have memories of war as a kid. There were times when we were watching airplanes flying over our head and waiting to see when that bomb separates the plane. And when it did I was praying to God; “Let it not fall on our house”. Now I see firefighters and police officers getting killed to save our life, I could have done the same and ask God:”God please if someone is suppose to die, let it be me, I don’t want it for my neighbor” but no I selfishly wanted to abuse his friendship to save me”
    I don’t know how it works, may be if 30000 kids dying everyday pray to God nobody would die, maybe.
    To me praying is more for me to be calm and focused and guided to do the right thing, I never expect anything extraordinary happening for me.

  • Mikael

    9/11 was religion, the london bombs was religion the crusades. Religion is not beautiful, religion is another way for other people to control you. Look at history, i mean really. They always gain power and build monuments to their honor. The egyptains, the sumers, people of the ancient rome. And still to this date. Look at the pope and that American evangelic guy who is next to bush. They all spite each other, and religion almost always lead to mayhem. I think truth is beautiful and finding it is a challenge perhaps but so worth it. People always say religion is beautiful, no it is not. and even if it was, it dosent mean anything, it dosent make it any more true. I still like religious culture, im an archaeologist my favorite, composer is Mozart, my fav painter is William Blake. Ive read the bible two times over. And the coran, well the translation of the coran, ive read the story of St George to my younger cousin lots of times, and David and Goliath. But its not true. I also love science fiction, Farscape is wonderful and i love Smallville and superman in general but i dont think it is true, its fiction and its wonderful.

  • arash

    I love allison’s blogs because they are always positive, motivating and inspiring. Debating on an issue and sharing different prespectives expands my understanding and I thank everybody here helping me to grow and learn.

  • Robin Hebert

    hahaha David, I was looking at your post….there’s a coffee place around here called supreme bean

  • http://www.daybow.com David Hayes

    Nice to hear they have a place like that. Beans aren’t the kind to toot their own horn.

  • http://www.daybow.com David Hayes

    Mikael,

    From what you said in comment 61, I think you would very much enjoy the book “The Source” by James Michner. It’s a long book but it really gave me an interesting perspective on man’s development in a violent world.

  • http://allisonmack.com Lori Bennett

    first of all hey everyone. allison i’m not sure what u r calling theory, but if it was referring to faith or a higher power it is not theory. theory r the scienctists speech of explaining what they cannot prove in their small brains. everyone believes in something even atheists. for istants u get a pastor and a atheist in a lightening storm and the pastor prays to God asking Him for a sign of His existance the atheist is shaking his head cause the other guy is talking to himself, until that is the pastor asks God to send lightening down and strike the atheist so he will know that God is real. although the atheist chooses to believe there is no God, when he hears the pastor pray to send lightening down he becomes fearful of such a thing happening therefore in some form believing in God in that it COULD happen. God however won’t b/c He doesn’t hurt people. for those who read this and say of course he does-why do children die of diseases or become victims of horrible crimes. the answer i clearly say to you is God’s heart goes out to those people. Children die everyday of diseases that we pray for a cure. i don’t want to see children die no more than the next, but why doesn’t more people cry when a woman kills her unborn baby. do u know babies that have been born at 22 weeks along have survived and most abortions take place in 25-30 weeks. oh and if a baby can have hiccups in the uterus(therefore can breathe) just b/c they haven’t breathed outside the woman it doesn’t count. that’s BS. Faith is believing in something that you can’t see but knowing in your heart that it (He) exists. No matter what u choose to believe, it is putting your faith in it that helps get past the trials. love you all.

  • Maria

    Religion- The effort of mankind to get closer to God.

    I heard someone say this once and I agree.

    I agree with you. I don’t like how religion divides. I think that different religions represent different beleifs, ideas that people have about God. I mean in the end religion are different ideas, people who beleive in different things and have followers who believe the same thing.Then come another person who says “No that’s wrong, it is this the real God…etc.” And let the division begin.

    There will always be different religions in the world, in the passing of the years new religions will form and new people will follow. I think that will never change.

    I would love to say more but it’s late and my brain hurts. This is all the intelligence I could muster. :) lol

    Nice post!

    XoXo

    Maria

  • Jendi

    Okay so we’re talking about beliefs; heres an idea then; not counting family of friends what is something you turn to on those days where you are at your worst or your best..?
    I mean the days when you might find yourself crying or laughing uncontrollable, when your upset, happy, sad, mad? How can i word this better;

    what are some of your vices that get you through life? Music? Poetry? history? ice cream? boxing? running? dancing? climbing trees? seriously though, I was just in the most pissed off mood so i ran, I ran to music people don’t run to? I puffed out my pissed off-ness; just was wondering how others deal with the complexity of human emotions???

    it’s a nice light hearted question? :)

  • Shalia

    There is a God,only one,end of story! He answers ALL prayers,what some people can’t handle is that sometimes his answer is “No!” (no,I will not free your son from prison who is a murderer!)etc.
    So,unfortunatly,insecure people would therefore say “there is no God”. Let’s face it people,we live in an instant-gratification society,we have microwaves,cell phones,and ATM machines! And if we’re not instantly gratified,we’re not having it,it must not be good….well-I can safely say,that is NOT the case! In fact,if any of you believers in SOMETHING but not in GOD would take the time to do your homework,your heart would be lead to believe in what’s right and true.That is honestly the only difference between believers in God and believers in SOME higher power…God is no respecter of persons,he doesn’t love any of us more than the others,and if you take that leap,just try it for the sake of trying,and pray and ask God to reveal himself to you,he CERTAINLY will! (as he has for all of us believers)
    It’s when you can’t get over your need for the tangible that you miss out on the most amazingly beautiful relationship you’ll ever have….
    Your belief in SOMETHING is God tugging at your heart,but because of free will he isn’t going to COMMAND you to have a relationship with him.It’s his way of extending an invitation…it’s not your insecurites or fear,nothing like that.We care too much what other people think,and we actually LOSE ourselves in the process…if we were all ment to be blue eyed blondes,we’d all BE blue-eyed blondes! EMBRACE yourself for who you are and what you believe,don’t CONDEMN! And if I may say,Allison,I’m very proud of you for actually saying what it is you believe,in spite of the fact that you might piss somebody off! My question to you is “if you believe religion is designed to promote understanding and to push us harder,then why don’t you try COMMITTING to faith? And stop calling it a “theory”~if it feels better to believe than to not,there is a reason for that!
    My prayer is that all Christian fans of Allison’s will ask God to reveal himself to her in such a way that she can’t possibly deny him! (see,there ARE ways to pray around free-will!) And Allison,will you please let us know when these prayers have been answered??
    Anyone who is a fan worth having,will respect your rights even if they don’t agree with you….

  • Shalia

    if I may comment on #42 and #43…God wants praise and devotion because he is our FATHER! He created us to have relationship with him,and if you had kids,wouldn’t you want them to say “thank you” when you do things for them,and “I love you too!”?? Of course you would,yes,God DOES want to hear us sing his praises,it says all over the Bible that it pleases him to hear,that the angels rejoice in heaven at the mear mention of his name!
    And also,let me ask you this~if you had kids,and all they ever did was whine and complain and want more,and not have to EARN anything,would you want to pour your endless supply of blessings on them? NO! When your kids appreciate what you do for them,it makes you want to do more for them….someday,you’ll understand…..

  • Haley Keith

    Allison,

    My religion is baptist, i believe in God and i believe that his son Jesus Christ died on the cross for everyone in the world. I believe that God loves me. i love God. I believe in he Bible and that God wrote it (there is some amazing grammer usage in it :) ) I also believe in Heaven and that one must be saved in order to get there. I believe that by believing that Jesus died for me and that God is the only God; i am saved. And everyone else can be also!

    This is what i believe, i wasnt raised in chuirch or a christian. When i was in the second grade my neighbors started taking me to church with them and i loved it!

    I dont look down on people with other or no reigion; i love to listen to what people believe. Though i do encourage you, Allison to read the bible or at least a little of it. I find peace in it and through that peace i can better know and determine myself on a religious and mindful level.
    It’s amazing to me how much that the world makes since after studying the Bible. If you want my reccommendations for some specific verses or chapters that i find interesting in the Bible, or if you have any questiions about it please email me. or call/text (1-606-307-4398).

    I love God. That is my belief.
    Thank you so much for listening!

    xoxo,
    Haley Keith

  • Jim

    Ali, we believe in the same thing. All people are people just live. I do believe in a higher power although putting my faith in one religion or “thought” about who or what that god is is too scary for me to do. I believe that people should believe in whatever they want be it good or bad just dont push your beliefs upon another person. THAT’S when problems start. When one person tries to force another to believe in what they believe in we get our problems. I really hate intolerance and stupidity like racism and stuff like that but if you really want to believe in it that’s fine just dont act on it and force your beliefs upon others. Sit back be racist and be happy in your ignorance. But when you try to hurt others or force your beliefs on others then we got a problem. I think people should all come together and live peacably but no one is going to love and like everything everyone else does so in my opinion if we all just realized that we all differ in our beliefs and opinions and accept that notion without trying to force anything on anyone we will all be happier for it. Let bygones be bygones. LOL sorry i just realized I said dont force your beliefs on anyone and yet I am in law school where my job will be to convince people to buy what I believe in LOL…I kinda find that funny.

  • http://www.chloesullivansite.com/ Bouroux

    Hi Allison
    I agree with the synthesis.
    It is true that believe in a superior being is comforting in case of dramatic events. We Christians, we have Jesus whose story is well known and well documented.
    Jesus, the man was an example of human value, integrity, credibility and compassion. Religious communities that have succeeded in Jesus have not respected the spirit of the latter. The religious extract from the bible what they wanted to control and benefit.
    The spiritual leadership can not rest on the shoulders of one person. In every sphere of life there are people who provoke the admiration by their actions.
    These people are for me living examples of my belief in humanity.
    Too often, leaders talk a lot but do not act and do not give an example. They use human values so that we join them but too often they do not respect that.
    Believe in people who change things is easier that to believe those who merely say.
    I like to believe that man despite its imperfections will continue to impress us.

    Allison in your interview at Comic Book Recources, I loved your comments on the advice of John Glover. Your feelings on Smallville are fabulous.
    Have a good weekend.
    Bye

    Claude.

  • Audra

    I am going out on a limb here because I am going to say something that maybe seen as negative..

    While I agree with you Allison, most people are not as open minded as you are. I find overall people find what they feel comfortable with (religion, beliefs, etc..) and stick with it. They don’t want to hear anything different.. as that may make them have to question what they have believed for so many years. People don’t like change.

    So to have people grasp the concept of “we believe what we believe for separate and independent reasons”, people would have to make a change to open mindedness and be willing to accept there is more than one way in life.

    Don’t get me wrong.. I do NOT think all people are closed minded and the such.. but overall I think humans are built this way. That is what I love about your blog, it brings together open minded, intelligent people for thought provoking conversations on various topics.

  • Puffy

    “Man is a Religious Animal. He is the only Religious Animal. He is the only animal that has the True Religion – several of them. He is the only animal that loves his neighbor as himself and cuts his throat if his theology isn’t straight. He has made a graveyard of the globe in trying his honest best to smooth his brother’s path to happiness and heaven.” ~Mark Twain

  • Mikael

    Lori Bennett post 66. You dont seem to understand what a theory means at all. Its a theory that the moon goes around the earth and its a theory that we in out turn goes around the sun. A theory is a model of something that is testable. Its not a guess? Like religion witch is a guess and for this day in age a bad one.

  • I’m Rachel

    It’s funny how this blog has been about faith and religon a lot because I had a coupe of Jehova witness peope come to my house the other day. I don’t agree with the way they believe, but I kind of admire their commitment. Yet they do think if you don’t go up to peopls door and give their testimony they will go to hell I think. I may not have my facts right,but that would be a good drive.

  • paul

    “I like to believe that there is a higher spiritual being of some sort that is bigger than me.”

    I respect your opinion and I understand where you are coming from.

    But I have to ask: should we believe a thing is true simply because we wish it to be true?

    How does this mesh with a desire to seek out deeper philosophical truths, and how does it mesh with a desire to give up prejudice (pre-judgment)?

    For my part, I believe we shouldn’t believe in something on the grounds that it provides us with comfort.

  • http://www.daybow.com David Hayes

    Which raises the question, if you have to believe in something in the time until you have evidence, is it better to fill that time with a positive, comforting belief and risk later disappointment or with a negative belief that may mean theat you will suffer needlessly from the negative emotions. When a toddler sees his or her Mother walk away, should the child burst into tears thinking that Mom will never come back … or wait a while to see if she comes back with a cookie?

  • Brittany

    Hey Allison! Hey everyone! Sorry for the delayed post. I was gone camping with my dad for the weekend. I completely support and understand your opinions on belief, Allison. “That is when believing in a theory just feels so much better than not.” That is very true and I can relate to that. Beliefs give you a more reassuring and secure feeling to know that you can depend on this faith or religion anytime you need too, and that it’s always there. I also agree that religion and beliefs can create divisions beetween people. Also some remarkable words of your opinion: “If we could truly digest the concept that we believe what we believe for separate and independent reasons, all religion would cause nothing but more understanding, and the courage to push ourselves harder.” I can’t add to this because I cannot agree with you more. It does cause fights and I think we should just stick to comprehending and concentrating on our beliefes then to worry what others are doing. Hmm, I find your beliefs, very inspiring. Great job! (Random question popped in my mind) Are you currently in Vancouver? Or do you go back home for the summer? Just wondering… Alright. I will post next blog. Have a wonderful peaceful sunday. And enjoy the ever lasting scenery of beauty oustide your dooorsteps. Much love, support and encouragement, Brittany XOXOXO

  • Darwin

    Mikael:

    It is actually YOU who do not understand what “theory” means at all.

    Lori Bennett got it right.

    THOERY:

    “a proposed explanation whose status is still conjectural, in contrast to well-established propositions that are regarded as reporting matters of actual fact.”

    Theory is also defined as a contemplation or speculation. Or a guess or conjecture.

    So authority backs Lori Bennet up on this one.

    The FACT that the Moon goes around the earth and the FACT that the earth goes around the sun ceased being theories long ago.

  • Mikael

    He used the term Scientific theory, or atleast he said – the science guys guess the theories something with small brains. And a scientific theory is based on the results of a testable model. (webster : the analysis of a set of facts in their relation to one another.)

  • http://www.chloesullivansite.com/ Bouroux

    Hi Allison
    Your fans beleive in you.
    Allison nominated for 2008 SyFY Genre Award

    Allison won the best supporting actress.

    In the supporting actor category, Michael Emerson — who plays Ben Linus in “Lost” — took the male actor category while Allison Mack, who plays Chloe in “Smallville,” took the female category.

    http://www.syfyportal.com/news425320.html

    Congratulation Allison.

  • Mikael

    it is a theory that the earth goes around the sun. Thats how it works in science everything established is a theory.

  • paul

    “I do recognize that I choose to keep this belief in place due to a fear of what it would mean if we were totally random; if there was no true beginning or true end.”

    Maybe I’m weird, but I never really understood this fear of what it would mean if there were no God, no higher spiritual power. To me, the absence of gods means that the universe is just Nature– comprehensible, familiar nature. It means the stars follow the rules of mathematics and physics, that we are biological entities just like everything else.

    If I were to believe in God, I think I would find THAT terrifying! An omnipotent, mysterious, fundamentally irrational being in charge of everything? Whether it be hairy thunderer or Earth Goddess… that’s not for me, thanks!

    “Ultimately, I believe that religion is a beautiful thing. It has spawned gorgeous art, culture, community and history.”

    I absolutely agree with you here. Religions have given us great art, music, architecture… a wonderful cultural heritage. Unfortunately the same folks who brought us Chartres Cathedral and Michelangelo’s David also brought about the Crusades, the Inquisition, and innumerable wars with the Protestants. So the tally sheet for religion is about like it is for most human endeavors… I’d call it roughly a draw .

  • Darwin

    In principle, scientific theories are always tentative, and subject to corrections, inclusion in a yet wider theory, or succession.

    Which of course is the snake oil sales pitch used to cover their butts when they are wrong.

    Which is often.

  • http://www.daybow.com David Hayes

    Here’s what I thought without looking it up: once a theory goes through all necessary proofs, it then becomes designated as a LAW of physics (such as Newton’s Laws). My definition doesn’t seem to be quite there because ….

    This is what it says in “Teach Yourself College Physics Visually in 24 Hours” from rapidlearningcenter.com:

    Scientific process:
    There are many paths to follow when undertaking “science”—there is no one scientific method. Science involves observing, posing questions, forming possible explanations (hypothesis), experimenting, processing/analyzing data, looking for trends, more formation of possible explanations or question posing. Scientific processes form theories (which attempt to explain observed behavior) and laws (which describe or predict behavior, and are usually mathematical). A theory cannot become a law—one explains why and one describes what. A hypothesis is a proposed explanation for why something will occur (that may become a theory with enough evidence), while a prediction is simply a guess at what will happen—it does not attempt to say “why” it will happen.

  • http://photoblog.stamant.org/blog Ron St.Amant

    The problem is that religion becomes the sine qua non of everything- since everything happens because of one’s God, then to that God all is owed. When religion then teaches that all other ideas are heretical AND must be purged to bring about ‘truth’ then what follows is certainly anything but understanding.

    I think what Allison speaks of is not religion but enlightenment- the realization that all beliefs are ultimately of the same whole. But look at what most religions think of enlightenment and it is easy to see why religion will never be a unifying factor.

    I don’t think ‘Religion’ has given us great art, music etc. These are expressions of religious sentiment to be sure, inspirations yes, but not gifts of religion except when narrowly defined as the human spirit.

    But be careful how you approach the idea of ‘the human spirit’ with religion. Most religions, excepting maybe some Eastern ones, think of the ‘human spirit’ as that which begets sin, or evil. It is only when the human spirit is supplanted by the divine spirit that man reaches the point of salvation (christianity, judaism, islam all speak to this). This is why they reject the idea of enlightenment since to that thinking it is the ultimate (actually the first) sin against God- raising oneself to a level of knowledge equal with God.

  • Darwin

    Yes! I see what you are saying David…and I just found this:

    “It is not uncommon for a theory to produce predictions which are later confirmed or proven incorrect by experiment. By inference, a prediction proved incorrect by experiment demonstrates that the hypothesis is invalid. This either means the theory is incorrect or that the experimental conjecture was wrong and the theory did not predict the hypothesis.”

    So in science…a theory is fact…unless it is wrong.

    Then they say “oops” “What was I thinking?”

    So scientists have much in common with philosophers as both muddy the waters of logic and reason.

    Mostly in the noble pursuit of corporate funding or grant money.

    There is much snake oil to sort through.

  • http://www.daybow.com David Hayes

    Hmmm. Reading up on all of this online is giving me a headache. But it led be to another question: If ignorance is bliss, then why am I not happy?

    There is also a saying that what you don’t know can’t hurt you. I think whoever came up with that one must have died pretty young.

  • Darwin

    Because of something they didn’t know about?

  • http://photoblog.stamant.org/blog Ron St.Amant

    Mikael writes:it is a theory that the earth goes around the sun. Thats how it works in science everything established is a theory.

    Not exactly. Science posits a theory, but then that theory must undergo empiricism. It must either be repeatable or predictable.
    This is why when models of the known universe were drawn that had the Earth as the centre, it only worked for a time until what it predicted (position of stars, motion of the Sun etc) did not match the model. Some science still exists on a theoretical level because it cannot, or may not ever be able, be proved. That these things remain a theory however is not a reason to reject them or to place them alongside other competing theories.

    Take creation. We have the theory of the big bang versus creation by God. The former, while a theory, does have empirical elements- we can see stars formed and die, we can trace expansion of the universe backward, we can see how mountains and rock are formed, we can see comets and asteroids and we’ve now been able to take samples of these.
    For the latter theory we have the Bible- there is no corroborative evidence.

  • Darwin

    Ron St. Amant:

    There are several passages of scripture which COMMAND us to be perfect even as he is perfect.

  • http://photoblog.stamant.org/blog Ron St.Amant

    Darwin writes:So in science…a theory is fact…unless it is wrong.

    Then they say “oops” “What was I thinking?”

    So scientists have much in common with philosophers as both muddy the waters of logic and reason.

    The difference between science and religion is that while science like religion claims itself to be truth- science does not position itself as the end of truth. Science is truth given the knowledge we have, but it allows for further discovery and revision. Religion does not. Revision in religion is heresy.

  • http://www.daybow.com David Hayes

    What I was reading was the debate over making Einstein’s Therories into Einstein’s Laws. The argument was that only one of three elements of the theory of relativity has been verified by measurable evidence. Someone even suggested that they call Einstein’s theory “Einstein’s Philosophy.” So the debate doesn’t simply rage between religious and scientific groups but within the scientific community itself. Maybe in the age of Grade Inflation, they should be called Laws! He was a nice man from humble beginnings. Throw him a bone! He deserves it. It seems that, throughout history, reality’s definition is based upon a popularity contest … or a power contest. Just like the winning side writes history.

    I remember a very beautiful grahpic novel about the future. There was a return to faith and the Catholic Church became the only Earth religion. Having succeeded at home, the clergy set forth in rocket ships with stain glass windows to find new life forms and new civilizations and convert them. I don’t think it went well for them and the story didn’t impress me all that much. But I do like pretty pictures!

  • http://www.daybow.com David Hayes

    Ron St.Amant Says:
    August 24th, 2008 at 1:38 pm

    “Take creation. We have the theory of the big bang versus creation by God. The former, while a theory, does have empirical elements- we can see stars formed and die, we can trace expansion of the universe backward, we can see how mountains and rock are formed, we can see comets and asteroids and we’ve now been able to take samples of these.”

    I’d like to take creation but I don’t have a bag big enough to carry it home in.

    But I have a theory that combines The Big Bang Theory and a beilief in God. Big David’s theory postulates simply that God sneezed … and that is why every decent, ‘intelligent’, living creature in the universe wants to say “Bless You” to God.