David Hayes Says:
September 17th, 2008 at 6:13 am

Something has gone horribly wrong WITH THE PROGRAM. So my question is, why don’t more people resent the programming? Let’s say no one wanted to work in the sewer, so the government conditioned a group of people so that they loved beyond anything else going into the sewer every day. The job was necessary and there was work to be done so the government does what is necessary to get the job done and chooses a ‘humanitarian’ way to get a group of people to do it. If one of the group sees beyond the programming and says, “Hey, it SUCKS being down here!” something did go wrong with the programming, but is the person’s perception of his or her situation wrong?”

Pain is a form of programming and conditioning — a crude and cruel form of programming for people who are supposedly rational, thinking beings. Instead of pain, why can’t we hear a warning bell: “ding … ding … ding … be advised that minor damage is occurring to your right index finger. Please tug on your left ear lobe if you do not wish to receive this message in the future.”

Be a good boy, eat a lot of fatty foods and we’ll make the food taste good. Be a good boy and keep having sex whenever you can so the species can continue and you will be rewarded with pleasure that may or may not offset the pain of supporting another human life for 28 years or more. Be a bad boy and you will get pain. Be very bad and you will get LOTS of pain. Of course, this gives others the ability to control and manipulate you by triggering these programmed responses.

This all can circle back to whether or not you believe in a benevolent programmer.

So I found this response fascinating. “The programming…”? What do you mean by this David? Is programming something that we, as humans, all innately share?

It is my understanding that programming has something to do with behavioral patterns, things that we seem to subconsciously choose for whatever reason. Something seemingly out of our control and simply something that happens.

Now my questions to you are this?

How much of this programming is something that we all share — something that is innately in us that we just cannot resist?
How much of this programming comes as a result of our parents, relationships, effects, and interpretations of things?

When you say programming as it relates to a topic such as this, are you referring to the way we naturally interpret any given situation? Because if that is the case, then I believe that programming is something each of us has done differently. I also believe that it is something that we chose ourselves.

We are, in fact, the master minds behind our own computers. We see the world the way we like in order to confirm the beliefs we have set in place. We are “programed” as a result of our individual experiences. The thing that totally trips me out is how different each of our programming is.

A friend of mine had a son commit suicide. She chose to see it as a blessing that she had the opportunity to know him at all, rather than look at his death as a devastation and focus on that. So why was she programmed to see and assume that as opposed to another mother who may never recover from the same experience?

Or is she maybe, dare I say it, lying to herself. Denying something all human beings would naturally feel given our programming?

I guess this comes down to a question of nature vs nurture?

We started to address this earlier, but I am not sure if you can ever truly flush this out.

I guess we should start by answering one thing:

What is this “programming” David referred to in his post?

Fascinating

xo
allison

Add yours Comments – 129

  • David Hayes

    on September 20, 2008 at 6:51 pm

    Someday I will find the leak in my keyboard that all the missing letters keep falling through!

  • Darwin

    on September 20, 2008 at 6:52 pm

    taylor nikole: Re: “I do things that I am afraid of all the time, so i lie to myself, telling myself that I am brave and strong enough (to put me in a mindset) to do what I fear most.”

    You are not lying to yourself!

    You dug deep and found the bravery…

    …INSIDE YOU…

    ..by ignoring the fearful nay-saying voice inside (and maybe outside) your head and instead tuned into your inner superhero.

  • David Hayes

    on September 20, 2008 at 6:55 pm

    taylor nikole Says:

    “OMG! its David Hayes!!!! OMG! OMG!”

    I’m used to that by now. That’s what they say when I manage to pick the lock on my 4 by 4 cubicle at work. Then they run and get that tranquilizer gun and I end up waking up back at my computer.

  • taylor nikole

    on September 20, 2008 at 6:59 pm

    maybe thats true Darwin….
    I still wonder where all my bravery comes from… because im still scared all the time.
    Maybe I don’t want to lie to myself but to others.
    Which is true… I have this facade… I’m this strong person, despite all the crap that happens in my life.
    It got me to thinking actually when you say i don’t lie to myself.
    In a way maybe im putting on a show…. a fake show, but when its just me… I get to see the real show.
    (Weird analogy that makes sense to me)
    My mom will tell me something new about how my dad is ruining our lives and I will lie to her telling her it doesnt hurt me… thats her show…
    but when i think about it later on in my room, I cry.
    Then I feel so weak and make up excuses to myself.
    In a way I still lie to myself.

    For a while I lied to myself, told myself that I didn’t cry… and I told others I didn’t.
    So… I didn’t.

    but i guess its true… when fear comes my way i try to dig deep within myself…
    now im just trying to sort when im lying to myself opposed to when im digging deep withing myself and making the discovery of bravery i didn’t think i had.

  • David Hayes

    on September 20, 2008 at 7:05 pm

    Family … it can be life’s greatest gift … or life’s greatest curse … or both … simultaneously!

    Part of the story I was going to tell in here the other day invovled a single sentence my Mother told me that changed my life forever. She’s one of the nicest people in the world, but she took away the glue that held my world together in just a couple seconds.

  • Lori Bennett

    on September 20, 2008 at 7:39 pm

    “programming,” david, please. are you a huge matrix watcher and believer that we all live within a generated machine and we are “programmed” to think what we see is real when it’s not. that is the biggest amount a marlarky i have ever heard-topping those who think our great great great great great grandparents were monkeys. how did we get from free will to we are programmed by something and that what we think we know is not what it is at all.

  • David Hayes

    on September 20, 2008 at 7:53 pm

    If we did live in a matrix, how would we know? We only know what our senses tell us and every magician knows that our senses aren’t that great … which is why we build artificial senses to see farther and smaller and hear better and sniff out gasses.

    We even have a program that instructs our cells how to grow to become our bodies … and it’s called DNA.

  • David Hayes

    on September 20, 2008 at 7:54 pm

    … oh … and there is no reason to insult monkeys!

  • taylor nikole

    on September 20, 2008 at 7:59 pm

    Monkeys <3

  • Puffy

    on September 20, 2008 at 8:18 pm

    yeah, monkey have opposable thumbs AND toes. Dey is kewl.

  • Keri

    on September 20, 2008 at 8:22 pm

    “People come at ideas from so many different angles on this blog. It’s so interesting and useful for thinking. Keri, excellent posts. I’m beginning to get the idea that 15 year-olds are simply geniuses! Their thinking processes seem to be so advanced. My Yorkshire terrier is 15. Hmmm… I wonder what she’s thinking?”

    Haha, thanks Tony 🙂

    I can’t wait to see Allison’s response to this. We have some interesting answers on here.

    Thoughts go out to the families of and the 6 involved in the plane crash last night that left 4 dead and Travis Barker and DJ AM severly injured. I love Blink 182, and Travis is a genious.

  • taylor nikole

    on September 20, 2008 at 8:31 pm

    Keri:
    We are… and for some reason I see us ruling the world later on this year :-p

  • Darwin

    on September 20, 2008 at 9:40 pm

    taylor nikole: Edmond Burke said…

    “No passion so effectually robs the mind of all it’s powers of acting and reasoning as fear.”

    THAT is the power of fear…

    Uncertainty…vagueness…

    …gripping you with such horror that it robs you of thinking and reasoning and acting.

    Fear thrives in darkness…

    The best way to defeat a fear is to drag it kicking and screaming into the light.

    THEN…

    ..the light of that knowledge will take away it’s power.

    So you do the opposite…instead of stopping thinking…you think…

    …instead of stopping reasoning…you reason.

    …instead of not acting…you act…

    …in the light of that truth you found…

    And fear’s power is gone.

    I’ve…had a…bit…of experience with this.

  • taylor nikole

    on September 20, 2008 at 9:46 pm

    Darwin…
    I just had a weird visual of fear kicking and screaming as I dragged it into the light…
    I have no idea where my mind is tonight 🙂
    But I like that…
    its true better than saying you cant overcome fear.

    sometimes i can be a downer.. don’t mind me 🙂

  • Darwin

    on September 20, 2008 at 10:00 pm

    taylor nikole:

    I like your sharing! And it does not bring me down…

    Just want to help so YOU are not! *smiles*

    Because I have more…

    …milage?

    I can share what has worked for me!

  • Matthew

    on September 20, 2008 at 10:23 pm

    AAAAHHH!!!!! sorry i just want to post, with over 100 posts i feel so alone and left out!! Time to start posting!

  • taylor nikole

    on September 20, 2008 at 10:23 pm

    True again 🙂
    and it does help!
    haha
    so im going to try to make a video tomorrow!
    haha
    today i didn’t get to it… i went dress shopping instead

  • Matthew

    on September 20, 2008 at 10:31 pm

    a video!!!!! yay!! i <3 videos. they r so cool. id like to make one but i dont know how.im not very technogically savvy.oh well

  • Darwin

    on September 20, 2008 at 10:43 pm

    taylor nikole: lloking forward to your video!

    And…

    ALSO important:

    Did you find a wonderful dress?

  • taylor nikole

    on September 20, 2008 at 10:48 pm

    Darwin:
    Yes i did 🙂
    ill include the dress in my video?
    lol
    somehow?
    my friend wanted to go coronation dress shopping…
    and i just happened to find one i liked.
    So if i even get asked to coronation (unlike last year where i just didnt go) ill wear it there!

    in english we had to write a paragraph with our ‘SAT’ vocab words about why we are excited about coronation… and me being the devils advocate chose to argue why coronation is not exciting and why i am not excited 🙂
    at the end i stated that my rude attitude towards the same nominees and coronation did not lead me to pushing the people responsible for coronation into orifices that they could not dig themselves out of… because afterall, that would be mean.

  • taylor nikole

    on September 20, 2008 at 10:49 pm

    ^^
    *innocent smile*

  • Darwin

    on September 20, 2008 at 10:51 pm

    *laughing* taylor nikole: Rebel Rabble Rouser!

  • Darwin

    on September 20, 2008 at 10:53 pm

    Yes! Include the dress!

    I wore my best outfit in my video…! *smiles*

  • taylor nikole

    on September 20, 2008 at 10:57 pm

    Darwin,
    I always have to argue…. it makes my life more interesting…
    there is a girl who sits in front of me in english who was trying to talk about politics..
    give me a break
    and i found myself interrupting her little shpeal *i can’t remember what she was saying*
    i was like “actually can i put my opinion in… seeing as i have no idea where you get your information from.. not saying that its wrong but (my sphpeal)”
    and after that she didn’t say anything except
    “I don’t like discussing politics, especially with certain people”
    I don’t think ive had a convo with her since 🙂
    shes seems very closed minded

  • annoymous

    on September 21, 2008 at 6:01 am

    This is an interesting topic, maybe we are programmed as there seems to be at some point in life we feel disconnected. For years I was a self harmer, and I had no idea why I started doing it, was I programmed to feel like that? All I can say is it took me a long time to fee ‘normal’ again. Whatever that means?!

  • Brittany

    on September 21, 2008 at 11:33 am

    Hey Allison, I think programming is the way we were taught to be, the things we were influenced by or told. Which makes our program us. Because of what we’ve seen or in general all of our surrounding experiences. Kind of like what you said. I agree with you completely. But i can

  • Brittany

    on September 21, 2008 at 11:37 am

    Hey Allison, I think programming (human wise) is the way we were taught to be, the things we were influenced by or told, or what we’ve seen or in general all of our surrounding experiences. Kind of like what you said. I agree with you completely. But I can’t seem to quite understand David’s point of view. It’s a very interesting topic. It’s who we are and who we will become that fascinates me the most. How did we get from liking this to liking that. And it’s all because of where we’ve been, who we’ve seen or what we’ve experienced that creates our program. Bye for now! Britt

  • Darwin

    on September 21, 2008 at 3:22 pm

    taylor nikole: Nothing wrong with questioning in the spirit of understanding…and it SEEMS you were doing it politely and sweetly as well…so yes…the girl in your class probably IS being a bit closed minded…

    HOW IS YOUR VIDEO COMING????

  • Stephen K

    on September 23, 2008 at 7:54 pm

    All I could think of was school. How it was designed to program us into little robots.
    “Conform or be cast out”.

    Of course I had the boss that insisted that soon the government would be able to implant a USB port in the base of our skull so we could receive our programming.
    Steve K